At the end of TheBands of Mourning, we learn that aside from the Survivorists, there is also a whole civilization of people far to the south of Elendel that worships Kelsier, calling him the Sovereign. The man tells a villager to "survive.". He overcomes this character flaw eventually (demonstrated by saving the noblemen Elend Venture from certain death) when Vin convinces him that there are good people among the nobility. Khriss mentions the Ire which sets Kelsier onto his next quest of finding their base of operation. Dick was so focused on the rhythm of movement and moving toward the name, he almost missed the quiet sound of a cloak fluttering behind him. While held in an Elendel jail, Suit was visited by a mysterious creature with red eyes. I find it odd how specific Kelsier's death is. Please note that there are also some spoilers in here for The Stormlight Archive. Theres always another secret, but well have answers to some as of November 15th! One day, the men of gold and red, bearers of the final metal, will come to you. Its relevant to the past in the cosmere. , Marsh is Kelsiers older brother. What are you saying? When Kelsier's father discovered the truth of their parentage, he had their mother executed and attempted to do the same to the brothers, who fled. However, Mare's use of Allomancy was sensed by the Steel Inquisitors (since they could pierce copperclouds), and Kelsier and Mare were captured by the Lord Ruler. Except if you remove the spike, you love the alteration because the Identity is not matched. [36] There he spent his time believing that his wife Mare had betrayed him to the Lord Ruler until he witnessed his wife being beaten to death by guards after she gifted her Atium bead to him. You are filling this thread with posts that are not needed and not wanted. Don't make me come over there and slap you around again. Cause I see what could be considered3 different theories in this one post. Maybe Im just not saying it in a way that can be understood. He introduced them and Vin to Yeden and explained his plan to destroy the Final Empire and kill the Lord Ruler. [61][4][3] When assassinated by Szeth, Gavilar suspects Thaidakar of ordering his death. When Marsh caught Vin in Luthadel, he attacked Ruin with Preservation's power, weakening Ruin's control over Marsh just enough for Marsh to rip out Vin's earring. All Im saying is that whether or not TLR could have been hemalurgically spiked depends entirely upon whether or not the rebels stabbing him with spears only stabbed hard enough to just barely get the metal heads in, which would technically allow for hemalurgical side effects, or if the rebels stabbed him with enough force that the spear head went ALL THE WAY THROUGH HIM and stuck out the other side of his body, leaving him with only the wooden haft still inside of him and the metal heads not touching his insides. Kelsier then made his living as a thief, becoming famous throughout Luthadel. Kelsier draws up a master plan for the job, in which he designates each member of his crew to a role. Mister Suit had been captured and possibly killed, but Lady Sequence (Telsin) had escaped, and there are rumblings of more devious plots afoot something to do with the kandra who are working for the Set, and Trell. So we really cant know if he was being feeling the effects of Ruins influence, since we cant even know if he was hemalurgically spiked. [citation needed], To put the plan in motion, Kelsier first targeted Keep Venture, as House Venture was the currently most powerful house in Luthadel and an attack on it would have the greatest impact. , After discovering the Eleventh Metal Kelsier started to prepare his plan by hiring the Kandra OreSeur. See the original version. Sure, maybe it would be active for a split second when touching blood or whatever like you said,but as soon as the head passes out of his body on the other side, it wouldnt affect him anymore. He teamed up with the escaped Plantation skaa Dockson and the Tineye Mare, whom he married. He is the central figure of the religion known as the Church of the Survivor. Even if he had said something rude, its a theory. They also have some sort of ties to. lets delve into that a little more deeply, shall we? At some point after his revival, he also became a prominent figure on Roshar known as Thaidakar, though he is still physically stuck on Scadrial.[1]. On its relevancy, just because it has spawned a discussion does not make it relevant to the present and futureCosmere. Kelsier recruited the underworld's elite, the smartest and most trustworthy allomancers, each of whom shares one of his many powers, and all of whom relish a high . While he is incapable of leaving Scadrial in person, he uses an "avatar" to visit the Ghostbloods on Roshar. Kelsier's legacy continues to influence people all across the five dominances. We dont really know if the rebels that stabbed TLR used enough force to get the head of the spear all the way through his body so the metal head of the spear wouldnt be touching him. He connects us to his characters. At Fadrex he convinces Vin to flee when he sees Hoid. Their relationship was the sort to where Gavilar was quick to believe that he was the one who ordered his murder. In Era 2, followers of Kelsier are known as Survivorists. Steris and Marasi are both followers of this religion. Kelsier is tall and hawk-faced and has light-blonde hair and hazel eyes;[9][10] he has a multitude of scars crossing both arms from his time in the Pits of Hathsin. And we know Ruin was able to manipulatepeople, particularly unstable people like Vin's mother and Gemmel, soit possible that the rebels who stabbed the Lord Ruler were influenced by Ruin to create a Hemalurgic Spike. From what I do understand, I don't see why it is relevant, and generally, when something is irrelevant it is wrong simply because it is simply adding more complexity to the books (I think we all know the Cosmere has plenty), and is pointless. , Kelsier is terrified by Ati and the power that he holds, seeing and feeling it through the Well of Ascension.[74]. He helped the people there survive using his knowledge of the Metallic Arts, showing them how to make metalminds to store attributes like heat in a way that could be shared with anyone. Marsh, who was also in love with Mare, came to resent Kelsier for winning her love and for constantly outshadowing him with his frivolty. Honestly, you should have seen it coming. Gave Entrone: An amateur archeologist who insulted Steris at a party. The Skaa still would have rebelled, Vin still wouldve gone after TLR, and they still wouldve won. Kelsier was kind of Ruins agent on Scadrial while he was there, even though he didnt actually have a spike. And for all of you who feel the theory doesnt have a point, you can just stop posting. Breeze would recruit men for the rebellion, Ham would train them in the Arguois caverns, Dockson would direct the operation's finances, Clubs would hide the group's Allomancy with copperclouds, OreSeur in the role of Lord Renoux would buy the necessary equipment, Marsh would infiltrate the Steel Ministry posing as an obligator, Kelsier would use his Mistborn power to make attacks on the nobility to create tension between the houses, and Vin would gather information in the noble court posing as Renoux's niece Valette. So i just finished Mistborn: Secret History and in the Postscribtum Brandon mentions that he as a very clear idea what Kelsier is doing and will be dropping hints again. You seem to want to shut down theories that are too complex for you to understand. [78][34] At the time of meeting, he saw Kelsier as a wild card that he didn't want to deal with. Brandon definitely knew Kelsier wasn't gone from the beginning. [7] Using Allomancy he was able to escape the Pits. Marasi previously studied law and had a bit of a crush on Wax, but shes since moved on. In the following years, Kelsier traveled the empire and learned the art of Allomancy from an old skaa Mistborn named Gemmel. [21] There is a darkness to him that other heroes, such as Kaladin, would fight but that Kelsier instead embraces and is so ruthless that, in a fight with other notable people from the cosmere, he would be the most likely to win;[27][28] even Hoid considers him incredibly dangerous. It is used to fuel Southern Scadrian Allomantic technology, including their airships, which run via Steelpushing. So the head was likely stopped by the ground before leaving his body. He was killed by the Lord Ruler in The Final Empire, but has resurrected. [33] As a result, he has both regular vision and the steelsight that Inquisitors used, allowing him to see via both normal light and trace metals. Immediately after his death, Kelsier arrived in the Cognitive Realm. [24][25][3][26] He is a great agent of chaos and is very good at tearing things down and messing with what other people want. He is stern and intense, but always smiling; anoth er act of rebellion against the Lord Ruler's oppression. We do it because we want to. [43][77] Merely interacting with Hoid for a brief amount of time was enough to send Kelsier into a murderous rage. [6] He is stern and intense, but always smiling; another act of rebellion against the Lord Ruler's oppression. Wayne is also a twinborn; his skills are Slider (creating speed bubbles) and Bloodmaker (he can store health in his metalminds in order to help facilitate healing). As of Mistborn Era 2, he may be a feruchemist and he has not gained access to allomancy since his death. I decided that Id see [Mare's] dream fullled. the original post says a lot: Are you asking if the rebels were influencedby Ruin? Gemmel is Kelsier's mentor in the allomantic arts, meeting each other after Kelsier escaped from his captivity in Hathsin. Kelsier fell in love with a Tineye crewmember of Dockson's retinue named Mare, whom he later married. Now lets talk a bit more in depth about Kelsier, and what hes been up to. He hates injustice and takes this hatred to the extreme, which originally resulted in him being unable to see good in any of the nobility. Kelsier's estranged brother Marsh also joins, hoping to realize his own dream of a successful Skaa Rebellion despite his disapproval of Kelsier's methods and leaving the rebellion when he had learned Kelsier and Mare had been captured. Fortnite dropped the official announcement early Friday. From the skaa in Keep Shezler he heard rumors of the Eleventh metal. Later on, a group of Southern Scadrians traveled north in search of the Sovereign's Bands of Mourning, but were captured by the Set, who decided to seek the Bands as well. After the fall of the Lord Ruler, Marsh eventually came under control of Ruin, as Ruin used the Hemalurgic nature of the Inquisitors to control them. When he arrived in Luthadel, he first reunited with his old partner and best friend Dockson. [2] He is capable of using them with a high degree of precision to control the momentum and rotation of dozens of pieces of metal simultaneously. And you kind of responded with a lot of hate there. He also knew at that point he'd been too much of a problem for the Lord Ruler. [8], Kelsier has a Hemalurgic spike in his right eye socket,[32] which he acquires sometime after the Catacendre. He/she/it has kandra under their control, is either controlling or working with the Set, and is apparently planning on annihilating life on Scadrial as a whole. [55], After Sazed's Ascension and Spook's rise to political power, Kelsier began to speak with Spook about finding a way to bring himself back to the Physical Realm. We know that Waxs sister, Telsin, is a high-ranking member and that she escaped alive at the end of TheBands of Mourning. Thus was born a sense of resentment for the nobility in both children, which resulted in Marsh becoming the leader of the Skaa Rebellion and Kelsier became a crewleader for a gang of Misting thieves, stealing from the noble families. All I want is for somebody to clarify what your theory actually is. [46], During his journey to find the Ire, he runs into Ruin and has a discussion about Ruin's intent. Though Vin initially is wary and suspicious of him, she eventually learns to trust him, and he becomes somewhat of a father figure to her. Honestly, I am kinda confused as to what this theory is trying to say, and how it is relevant to current and future cosmere. I do think that an interesting (and relevant)question that is brought up by this theory though is whether or not it is possible to spike a person without killing them. [39], The plan was to secretly build up an army of twenty thousand trained skaa soldiers in the Arguois caverns while at the same time causing confusion and distrust in the nobility to cause a house war. [22], Kelsier has an unknown Seon which he uses to commmunicate with his Ghostbloods on Scadrial. If youre looking to learn even more, I highly recommend that you check it outthere are also chapter-by-chapter recaps of the books if youd like to do a more thorough deep dive into the Mistborn series! Marsh decided to give Wax a book explaining Hemalurgy because he believed Wax was doing Kelsier's work. Kelsier is seen to be not fond of the decision, but doesn't let any of his agents to assassinate her. Kelsier is known by many titles, the origins of which vary. He claims that he smiles solely because laughter is the only thing that the Lord Ruler cannot take from him. He once used them in his fight with a Steel Inquisitor, so the metals acted like they were alive, twitching and flying through the air to cut and distract the Steel Inquisitor. All I want is for you to clarify your theory. After his apprentice Vin kills the Lord Ruler, OreSeur lays Kelsier's bones to rest. MellowKween 21 days ago Hmm well like I said, he's never really gone. While initially hostile, in the end Kelsier's brother Marsh joined, and together the crew developed a plan to defeat the Final Empire. The book was first published in July 17th 2006 and the latest edition of the book was published in July 31st 2007 which eliminates all the known issues and printing errors. Vin also became a major religious figure in the wake of his death, as the Survivorists consider her Kelsier's heir. Yet, his death isn't truly that sad to me. Community Software by Invision Power Services, Inc. On 8/3/2018 at 9:16 PM, TheManKnownAsHoid said: On 8/2/2018 at 3:22 PM, TheManKnownAsHoid said. Despite having amassed enough wealth to live comfortably, Kelsier continued planning more heists, looking for bigger challenges in each. [34] This spike pins his soul to his bones. He then asked Preservation if they are God, and after being told yes he promptly punched Preservation in the face. No, Kelsier was not fond of Marsh. In this novella covering the events of the first Mistborn trilogy, Kelsier is trapped in the Well of Ascension following his death. He has a spike through his eye at the end of BoM. At some point, Kelsier had the Ghostbloods on Scadrial work in order to resist the oncoming threat of Trell. When Kelsier was in the Cognitive Realm after his release, he often would show up to him in order to mock him and his inability to do anything. I dunno what the point of spiking him would be. He justifies his behavior as faithfulness to the Survivor of Hathsin, since Kelsier himself had been known to express outright hatred for the nobility. Even the church of the survivor would be virtually the same. At the end of TheBands of Mourning, she was shot several times but retained a metalmind and escaped. They go on several outings together, including fighting Inquisitors this leads to Vin almost dying however and changes how Kelsier runs the crew. I represent that one thing you've never been able to kill, no matter how hard you try. Vin paused at her thoughts. He helped the people there survive using his knowledge of the Metallic Arts, showing them how to make unsealed metalminds to store attributes like heat in a way that could be shared with anyone. And the whole point of the Cosmere Discussion forumis to discuss irrelevant theories and minutiae about the Cosmere. Kelsier: The famed Survivor of Hathsin, a half-skaa mistborn who led a revolution against the Lord Ruler. Kelsier, sentenced to die mining the Pits of Hathsin after attempting to rob the Lord Ruler's palace, arose as a powerful Mistborn and inspired the revolution that shook the foundations of the Final Empire. Once their army was trained and the houses grew unstable enough, they would send a part of their army to attack the Pits of Hathsin, forcing the garrison of Luthadel to go and defend the Pits. If he were a Radiant, there are three Orders Kelsier might belong to: Edgedancer, Dustbringer, or Willshaper. His near invincibility as a Mistborn warrior fuels his reckless nature. Back at the city gates Kelsier introduced Vin to Sazed. Telsin Ladrian (aka Lady Sequence): Waxs estranged sister, and a high-ranking member of the Seteven higher than Mister Suit. He told Suit that the Set had decided that allowing civilization on Scadrial to continue was too dangerous and that they decided to remove life on this sphere instead. The creature then activated an explosive device, apparently killing Suit. Powers that we know of: Steelpushing (Allomantic) and Bloodmaking (Feruchemical). After Vin had recovered from her extensive injuries, Ham took her with him to allow her to watch him burn pewter effectively, but they quickly returned to Kelsier with news that Yeden had had his troops attack a garrison outpost against their main objective. . Before his death, Kelsier had tried to unlock the potential of the 11th metal, which was rumored to be the Lord Ruler's weakness. A discussion means you have twosides, and you literally just asked one side to leave and move along.. Sure, it makes it interesting and thought provoking, but I never said it wasn't. It was Kelsier's "death" that truly connected me to the Cosmere universe. Kelsier is the leader and presumed founder of the organization, which Mraize calls "the most powerful organization in all the cosmere. Kelsier at first hated Leras for claiming to be God, enough to instantly punch him. This one is gonna be a RAFO for what his true plan is and if there is influence somewhere. Steris Harms Ladrian: Waxs wife and Marasis half-sister. Vin decided to stay in order to see if he told the truth about trusting others.[35]. Also, you talked about, as I mentioned, how you want to discuss this theory. The roast is strong with this post. Shes the bastard half-sister of Steris. 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